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The Interview: Dr. Michael V. Drake

It’s not easy being a leader. Each day you’re confronted with crucial decisions that impact the lives of others. You are the head of a united ideal—a singular face in a diverse and often multicultural community. People will look up to you. Others will denigrate you. You will be vilified, misunderstood, and even forgotten. But [...]
Danny Hamen



It’s not easy being a leader.

Each day you’re confronted with crucial decisions that impact the lives of others. You are the head of a united ideal—a singular face in a diverse and often multicultural community. People will look up to you. Others will denigrate you. You will be vilified, misunderstood, and even forgotten. But more importantly, you are the tangible force that provides direction. You are responsible for baring the weight of others, lifting up those who are lost in the trenches.

Dr. Michael V. Drake embodies many qualities of what makes a strong leader: passion, kindness, intelligence, approachability, and of course, a solid taste in music. He’s a medical doctor who mimics Prince on guitar. He is on the board of the Rock N’ Roll Hall of Fame, and taught ophthalmology at UCSF for years. He came of age in the thick of the civil rights movement, and found higher education despite living in a racially tumultuous time in our nation’s history. It’s not easy filling the shoes of a gregarious, bow-tied icon, nor should it be, but in the two years as president of The Ohio State University, Dr. Drake’s leadership has surely given his predecessor a sigh of relief.

Interviewing the president of one of the largest universities in the country comes with its inherent difficulties. It’s not that Dr. Drake is not an intimidating man—his thin wireframe glasses and warm smile beg the contrary—but one can only wonder what goes through the mind of a person delegated with so much responsibility.

Where do even you start?

Well—why not from the beginning?

Tell me about a young Michael Drake. I know that you spent a lot of time in Sacramento and San Francisco after moving from New Jersey.

Growing up, I had two much older siblings and a younger brother. Once we decided to move, it was really just my younger brother, mother, father and myself. I’d say that I was just living a typical 1960s American life.

Do you see any parallels from that time to the world we are living in today?

I would say one thing that was true about the California that we moved to was that it was a land of the future. The country was on a real positive trajectory. You could really feel that every year was getting better than the year before. It was a very optimistic time in our country. I could see differences in race relations in the ongoing discourse of civil rights. It was normal daily news for us then, and it seemed like every year things were getting better—people were working together more, and barriers were coming down. I was very optimistic in those years, and the world seemed to reward that optimism. All that positivity, which was so inspiring, was countered: the presidential assassination, which we thought was not fathomable, there was unrest in the streets, the Vietnam War happened. So we saw things go in such a wonderful direction, and then the difficult downturn. But we got through that, making us an even stronger country.

What role has music played in your life, and how has it shaped the person you are today, and how did it add to the discourse of to the time you grew up?

There was a lot of uplifting positive music in the 60’s. Because of the church connections in the civil rights movement and the music that played in church, music from the church was inextricably intertwined. Popular music of the day had teenage freedom and growth, but then there were songs about change and politics. All of these things were happening on a macro scale, and music was always a part of those politics. Music was a part of many people describing those years. My mother loved singing. We had a piano in the living room. There was always music around the house. We had a lot of progressive jazz in the house, especially Miles Davis.

Whenever I needed to prepare for a big exam in college, I always put on Kind of Blue. It always helped me concentrate.

Well, it’s certainly one of those top 10 albums to take onto a desert island. That is for sure. I heard that record probably 1,000 times from 10 to 12 years old. Music and art can connect us all from different points of view and different stages in life. There are lots of things that can bring us joy and comfort. That’s an amazing thing. It’s nice to be connected to the larger human family in that way.

Do you have any shoutouts to your favorite local band?

I’d have to say the Bill Who Band at Shadowbox Live. Wonderful people, wonderful appreciate of music. They are a fantastic part of our community.

Who did you idolize when you were growing up?

I looked up to my parents. They were both very hard working. They came up through the depression and made their way forward. They were educated and set a great standard for me, so I was very fortunate there. My father was a medical doctor and a football champion, captain of a national championship team. He was always a paragon of physical health and an active contributor to the community. My mother was a social worker and an English teacher—also a great contributor to the community. She had self-confidence. I had support. Of course, there was also the heroes of our day: John Kennedy, John Glenn, and Martin Luther King. I could see as a child how they were changing their world. The world was different after them as it was before them. Those are the people who showed us what was possible. From the heart, or from faith, or from science,éß you can really make the world a different and better place.

How did your college experience shape you?

Well, I met my wife, so that helped. [laughs] I knew I was going to go to medical school, so college never changed that. I began at a community college about a half a mile from my house. I transferred from there to a larger college, and that transfer was reflective of other things that were really happening in the world. It was extraordinarily unusual for someone like me to attend a college. Things were changing in the world. Just in that year or two, there were opportunities available to me that weren’t afforded to those before me. I was in a wave of African American students who had the opportunity to attend a broader range of colleges, and I felt that absolutely, acutely. It was entirely clear to me everyday that I was somewhere that I couldn’t have been two or three years prior. College is a place that is connected to the future, so I had the idea that I could do anything. My college experience really helped validate that.

What words of advice would you give to high school students who are apprehensive about committing to college right after graduation—a time where uncertainty about the future is at an all time high?

I don’t expect people to come here knowing what they need or want. I expect them to come here to want to grow and to follow their passions to a great future. We see the collegiate experience as one where we nurture that development from late adolescence to adulthood. I believe that it is our responsibility is to do what we can to inspire, empower and enable the whole person to develop, and to prepare you to move onto your future. Of course, if you have a plan that is terrific. But I would hope that most of those plans could be improved upon, or modified, as you grow. We want to be a pathway to the future.

We are living in a world when young people are faced with acts of inexplicable violence. Lately, these harsh realities have hit extremely close to home. What words of encouragement would you give students and faculty members who are feeling scared, dejected, or forgotten, and how can we move forward as a united community?

There are these awful things that happen, this senseless violence. We are not immune to it. We are not unique. But we have to figure out how to cope with it, and move forward in the face of these things. When we are feeling the threat and the pressure from all of these things surrounding us, we should reach out to our friends, classmates, and family members, and pull them a little closer to make sure that none of us have to face these things alone. We have the benefit of having a wonderful community support of loving people. Even in the wake of the tragedy, it was voided by the support and steadfastness and lovingness of our community. That helped us get through it, and it will sustain us moving forward.

Thank you for that. I am sure your words and support have helped to comfort the OSU community.

The Buckeye Nation Community has a level of cohesiveness and support that I think is unmatched. We should all be thanking each other.

Tell me about your pet projects. What is one thing you would like to accomplish at your time here in at OSU?

Most of my projects, most of the things I think about are focused on the student experience—helping us to be better nurturers, educators, and inspirers for our students. Asking me for a pet project is like asking me which of my children is my favorite; it’s so hard to choose. There are several things that we are doing that fit in the affordability excellence triad.

It’s been a watershed year for OSU in 2016. We’ve heard of groundbreaking research that has been done in the past year, acetaminophen linked to empathy loss, neurological and cancer research. What exciting things in science does OSU have in store for 2017?

There are three areas that we are very excited about. One, as you mentioned, is our biomedical and health science research continues to be world leading. We are making great headway on new drugs and therapies for cancer and other diseases. We also have the Byrd Polar Research Institute. We are doing incredible work on the science of climate change there— really critical issues for the entire planet. You mentioned knowledge as a commodity, and how information is important. We are trying to use that to make us better stewards of our planet. However, we can’t forget how we also have wonderful things happening in the humanities and creative arts. We are studying people and culture—how people live and have lived is really important. We are very excited about the people who are pushing towards the understanding of ourselves, and our ability to envision a better future.

It is fair to say that OSU is a part of the international community—can you extrapolate on how your institution captures the global community’s eye?

Our main product on campus is knowledge—either knowledge created by the research of our faculty or knowledge transmitted to our students through teaching. That is our business, the business of knowledge. We are living in a world where the barriers of knowledge really don’t exist anymore. Information travels around the world instantaneously. If we are going to be the forefront of creating and sharing knowledge, we have to be connected with the world. We have students, faculty, and staff from all parts of that world. There are those who come here to live with us or just to study for a small period of time. Woven in our normal fabric are people from all parts of the world, and that is a big part of the richness that makes us such a special community. It’s really a part of who we are.

What excites you most about your position?

I have a great chance to work with students, faculty, and staff who are dedicated to doing good in the world. It is a great privilege to be at an institution that is focused on doing positive things across the board, from arts, medicine, and science, to law and engineering. We have people really working on improving the quality of life and making it more enjoyable, and that’s a great privilege.

Do you ever feel overwhelmed?

It gets really busy, but I don’t really spend much time thinking about things like that. That, to me, would be wringing hands. When I start to feel like that I just roll my sleeves up a little more. There are moments of frustrations, of course, but I try to press through those things.

What advice do you have for the incoming freshman of 2017?

The opportunities in front of you are limitless. It is only your own imagination and application of your talents that will determine where you go, and that is a really beautiful and magical thing.

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The Interview: Christina Basham

Mixologist / Entrepreneur Even at a young age, Christina Basham carried with her the ingredients for success in the service industry—a gregarious nature, formidable attention to detail, an amiable personality, and the mouth of a goddamn sailor. Basham gives me the grand tour of the winding Middle West Spirits distillery, detailing the various applications of [...]
Danny Hamen



Mixologist / Entrepreneur

Even at a young age, Christina Basham carried with her the ingredients for success in the service industry—a gregarious nature, formidable attention to detail, an amiable personality, and the mouth of a goddamn sailor.Basham gives me the grand tour of the winding Middle West Spirits distillery, detailing the various applications of the towering bronze stills that inhabit the prodigious space. Her golden locks flow feverishly down her ‘90s-style, cocktail-peppered shirt as she explains the real difference between regular gin and dry gin while pouring me a 100-proof taster straight from the elephantine still. As the Sales Manager, former Brand Ambassador, and master Mixologist (and I don’t use that term lightly) at Middle West, it’s Basham’s job to know her shit.Basham has racked up over 15 years of experience in the service industry, from shaking drinks at local dives, managing the beloved but departed Wall Street Bar and Buckeye Bourbon House, and hosting her uniquely inspired craft cocktail pop-ups, to judging prestigious cocktail competitions. A Goliath of her trade who has put in her time and moved up the ranks, Basham’s eyes are now fixed on the position of president of the Columbus chapter of the United States Bartenders Guild.The relationship between the ingredients in your glass and the person shaking them isn’t always important, but it’s almost always interesting. The folks who expertly distill, produce, blend, pour, and/or create your delicious intoxication juice are more than just faces behind a bar—they are influential figures representing the best our city has to offer.
“I felt like, to the world, I never made a lot of sense. This is a place where I can live in all of my weird, and I was supported. People are into it.”
What experiences helped sharpen your teeth in the industry?Christina Basham: The answer is twofold—I was 21 when I started working at Applebee’s. I wanted to go back to school, so I started serving, eventually moving behind the bar. I still remember that they made us wear these horrible pink and purple t-shirts that said “Half-and-Half Happy Hour” where half of the letters were garnishes. I just remember thinking, “What did I do…. This is not who I am.” I was a young, queer-identified woman working alongside a lot of people who were, well… not that. And it was very challenging.What really cut my teeth in the industry was years of working corporate turn and burn and managing a nightclub [Wall Street] that served as the last stop on the train for many people—the people you see at their absolute darkest moments, their most booze-induced moments. Then I moved to Denver in 2011 for a relationship that didn’t work out. I interviewed for a job for the Edible Beats group. I didn’t have the chops just then. It took four to five months, but I got there. The leveled of curated hospitality in that space and attention to detail was something I had never seen before and I was in love. This is what I was waiting for.But when I moved back home, I didn’t have the network. Sure, I had the gay kids, the turn-and-burn kids, and the club kids, but I didn’t have the fine dining and craft cocktail kids. I needed to create a secondary network that let me be that part of who I really was.How did that relationship building begin?CB: I was working at Barrel 44. At that time, we were voted best cocktail list, and I was so curious because at that time they were still putting club soda in their Old Fashioneds. I remember them looking at me like I’m a crazy person for shaming them because I had come from Wall Street nightclub where I only poured three styles of flavored vodka into a glass.The turning point was working at the Kitchen at German Village. Anne [Boninsegna] and Jen [Lindsey] very quickly became family to me, two older sisters I never knew I needed. I had access to all of these ingredients I’d never had before, and they just let me do what I wanted.Over the course of two years, I split my time between selling and organizing events, organizing the bar, and bartending two or three events a week. That’s when I decided to join the US Bartenders Guild.You decided to throw in the bar towel and start in sales for Middle West Spirits. How do you think they stand out from other distilleries?CB: We are the first post-prohibition distillery in Ohio. It’s even cooler when you consider prohibition started in Westerville. I think we are honest about what we do. Every drop we make is made here. We source our wheat from Ohio, the same place that Ritz, Pillsbury, and Donatos get their wheat from. It’s funny, nobody who originally invested in the company is from here; they just fell in love with the state and decided to move. There is something great about drinking local— putting money back into the city and the local economy. I don’t think any brand loves the agriculture in this state as much as Middle West.Columbus has seen a renaissance recently in the way of spirits and cocktails. Why do you think cocktails are an important part of Columbus culture?CB: Cocktails allows creatives to live in a space where they can really shine. You’re giving them a stage to be expressive. That is what is so amazing about food and beverage and hospitality is that people can be who they really are. I love feeling a part of the underdogs, that secret society. Even though there is a bit of a chip on your shoulder, there is something sexy about that, ya know? I felt like, to the world, I never made a lot of sense. This is a place where I can live in all of my weird, and I was supported. People are into it. Craft cocktails have made us relevant on a national level. People like Annie Williams Pierce and Alex Chin, these people who have competed and done really well. When you compete, you are just a name and a city. It’s not just you.What is the difference between a good drink and a great drink?CB: I think the service is the catalyst for the drink. That and intentionality. You can serve a highball cocktail, but if it’s served with intentionality, it’s just different. You can feel it and sense it. There’s just a level of exceptional…. Something that makes it different. Of course when it comes to cocktails, fresh juice over frozen, quality ingredients—you can’t take a great recipe and put a shitty vodka in it, it’s just not going to be the same. People are simplifying nowadays. You don’t get a high five for adding 17 styles of bitters in a cocktail. Nobody cares. It’s booze, it’s not rocket science.Tell me about Bubbles and Agave.CB: I’d always hoped for more time to do private cocktail events and at-home cocktail classes. I really love all of that stuff, and I’ve been doing it as a side hustle for years. Once I was able to balance my work life and home life with my job at Middle West, in October I got a surge of energy and said, “I’m gonna do this.” So I filed my LLC and I’m working on getting the website up. Basically I come and do craft cocktail classes—I bring the tools, everything you need. I love empowering people to make the most of their home bar. Going out and dining is amazing, but it’s not the most friendly to your budget. If you can figure out how to make a simple syrup at your house and get really creative, or if you can feel comfortable mixing drinks, it’s an amazing feeling—like knowing that you have secrets in your pocket. If I can send people home with that feeling, well, that is what really really excites me.Look for Basham’s website,, coming soon!
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The Interview: Nicole Kraft

Journalist / Teacher / Innovator It’s the day of the interview and I’m scrambling to make sure I’m ready. Is my recorder ready and charged? Yup. Do I have my list of questions? Check. A little mint gum before the interview? It’ll be gone before I start my questions. Extra pens just in case mine [...]
Mitch Hooper



Journalist / Teacher / Innovator

It’s the day of the interview and I’m scrambling to make sure I’m ready. Is my recorder ready and charged? Yup. Do I have my list of questions? Check. A little mint gum before the interview? It’ll be gone before I start my questions. Extra pens just in case mine dries out? I got ‘em.A great book about the art of interviewing, Always Get The Name Of The Dog: A Guide To Media Interviewing, once taught me to always show up to an interview at least 10 minutes early. Whether you’re a person who is always late, or just need a few moments to set up, it’s always best to beat your interview subjects to the location. It sets a level of professionalism and lets your subjects know you respect them and their time.These are all things that you should do in good practice as a writer or journalist. So you can imagine my embarrassment when I arrived to Panera 15 minutes early to find Nicole Kraft, author of said book, sitting at a table, checking emails, sipping coffee, and patiently awaiting my arrival for the interview. But what else would you expect? She quite literally wrote the damn book on interviewing.
“I don’t know who said it, but they said, ‘If you love what you do, you’ll never work a day in your life.’ And I’ve never worked a day in my life.”
Giving Kraft the title of just author is not only disingenuous, it’s a disservice. Beyond publishing her digital interviewing book Always Get The Name Of The Dog in 2013 as well as a lengthier and updated print version set to release in January of 2019, Kraft is a communications and journalism professor at Ohio State. As an Apple Distinguished Educator, she spearheaded the arrival of iPads for freshmen on OSU’s campus. She’s the director of the Sports and Society Initiative. She’s an active writer for The Columbus Dispatch and the Associated Press. She specializes in media law and ethics, and she’s a mother and wife. It might seem like Kraft sleeps standing up with her eyes open so she can be ready for the next task to conquer. But to her, the high workload never feels like a chore because she’s able to do the things she wants to do.“I don’t have any hobbies; everything I do is a hobby in its own way,” Kraft explained as she finished up working on a lesson plan for the Spring semester. “I don’t know who said it, but they said, ‘If you love what you do, you’ll never work a day in your life.’ And I’ve never worked a day in my life.”Whether you want to call it a labor of love, a hobby, or a job—one thing is for certain—Kraft is a go-getter. From the ripe age of eight, she had already began printing her own local newspaper, “The Bicentennial Times,” that she would hand out to neighbors as she was dressed as Betsy Ross. Once in high school, she said she watched All The President’s Men and was instantly set on becoming an investigative journalist. This flash of insight led her to becoming an editor with her school newspaper, a dream internship with the Philadelphia 76ers, and was eventually what brought her from the West Coast to Columbus.But the move to Columbus wasn’t as easy as it sounds. Kraft’s husband, Brian, wasn’t too keen on the idea of moving from the West Coast to the East Coast. Initially, Kraft was hoping to land a job in New Jersey with Hoof Beats, which she had read avidly since childhood. She knew she was perfect for the position as she had spent her life around horses. So, she submitted a letter and resume, and took her shot. Unfortunately (or fortunately if you are Brian), a move to New Jersey wasn’t in the cards. But through the application process, Kraft’s name was forwarded along to an editor who found her an associate editor position in good old midwestern Columbus, Ohio.In Brian’s defense, Nicole wasn’t exactly thrilled about Columbus at first either.“When I came here for my interview, I flew from the San Francisco Airport—I’m from Napa Valley—into Columbus and the flatness of it…. I cried when I got to the hotel that night,” she recalled. “I called my husband like, ‘It’s so flat here!’ ”It didn’t help that when the Krafts first moved into Clintonville in 1995, it was still dry. Needless to say, there was some culture shock. But after 24 years in the community, she said she doesn’t see herself anywhere else.“We swore we’d only be here for two years; that was it. And now I don’t think we’ll ever leave.”This little anecdote about her career path is another example of an on-brand moment for Kraft. She’s always wanted to do whatever she wants to do, and her way of achieving this goal is relatively simple: put yourself out there.
“I always say yes. I never believe I can’t. And that’s the type of things I tell students all the time: ‘Just say yes. What’s the worst that can happen?”
“I always say yes. I never believe I can’t. And that’s the type of things I tell students all the time: ‘Just say yes. What’s the worst that can happen?’ If I send him a letter and he says no, the worst thing that can happen is he said no,” Kraft explained about the Hoof Beats application process.That’s how the process went for her second installment of Always Get The Name Of The Dog, too. The first book was put together after she had been trained on how to use iPads. It was a chance for her to play around with the technology, try something new, and show people how to engage in meaningful one-on-one conversations. The second book, however, materialized simply because she was asked to turn it from a digital book into a print book. Her response? “Yeah, of course. That sounds awesome, I’d love that.”(Even better: she bought copies for her class so students don’t have to shell money out of pocket to gain access to the information.)While most of the world looks at mobile devices and social media as a plague that is destroying millennials and other generations alike, Kraft sees them in a different light. Her expertise includes mobile technology and iPad learning, and her classroom model incorporates a little bit of everything. Instead of a roll call attendance policy, students check in using a hashtag via Twitter. If you follow her on Twitter, you’ll often see her retweeting articles posing ethical questions to students, or simply tagging a tweet as #osunewsclass to generate conversation. She also uses a “flipped classroom” where students read and watch videos at home, then come to class to discuss, displacing the lecture time traditionally spent in class.“When I first started teaching, I didn’t come from academia, so I think that [it’s] different that I came from that real-world setting. I tried to be the professor that I wished I could’ve had, which is somebody who recognizes that the world is important, and that education and the things we do in education have to mirror the world to a degree, and we have to integrate it,” she said.She’s also a huge advocate of using social media for more than just memes and Tasty cooking videos.“When we ignore what is real and what’s in front of us—you know the fact is three-quarters of this [Panera] are on social media—that’s where people live, that’s where social networks are made. It’s not called a social network for nothing,” Kraft said, gesturing around the room. “By excluding it from a classroom experience, we’re really cutting students off from a main pathway that they have both to communication and socialization. The other big part is they are going to use it. I have to teach them in my view to use it for good and not evil, and to realize how beneficial it can be for them.”That being said: it’s not strictly all work and no play for Kraft on social media. Before each semester, she searches her students on social platforms to get a better idea of who they are, while also pointing out that most of the information they post is accessible by anyone, including potential employers. It’s great for feeling out what the class roster will be like, and it does shock students when she pulls out little factoids about them from when they posted a one-off status in high school.As a former student of Kraft’s classes, I can attest that the lessons she teaches are worth more than their weight in gold. Going into my final semester at Ohio State, I needed an internship in the worst way. Of course, Kraft had an answer. A little magazine published by (614) Media Group (maybe you’ve heard of us?) named 1870 Magazine was looking for student writers for the summer of 2017 and she forwarded my name to the editor. Now it’s 2019, and I’m still using all the tools she gave me to tell stories for (614) and serve as editor-in-chief of 1870 Magazine.I also remember nearly every fresh writer in her class wanting to feature her and all she does for the university and the city, but those pitches were always met with a stern no. But from hearing her war-like stories, seeing her enthusiasm, and catching her infectious drive, can anyone blame a young writer for wanting to tell Kraft’s story? There’s no question here: she had a story that needed to be told. It just had to be done in the right manner.Well, Nicole. Life has gone full circle. I’m no longer in your class, but I’m still pitching story ideas to write about you. And this time, I got the green light.Read samples of Nicole Kraft’s articles about Columbus at
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The Interview: Carter Stewart

Carter Stewart isn’t your average crimefighter, and he’ll surely shun the description as much as he defies the stereotype. Following a career watching broken systems contribute to incarceration, the former US Attorney for the Southern District of Ohio left government service to become a full-time mentor for the social enterprise sector. Riding a borrowed desk [...]
J.R. McMillan



Carter Stewart isn’t your average crimefighter, and he’ll surely shun the description as much as he defies the stereotype. Following a career watching broken systems contribute to incarceration, the former US Attorney for the Southern District of Ohio left government service to become a full-time mentor for the social enterprise sector. Riding a borrowed desk at the Columbus Foundation, he’s a one-man Midwest outpost for the Draper Richards Kaplan Foundation. He’s also been recruited and charged with identifying worthy causes and applying Silicon Valley ingenuity to philanthropy-focused businesses—all to the tune of more than $100 million.Imagine if instead of investing in capes and cowls, Bruce Wayne spent a fortune funding innovative approaches to solving long-standing injustices?Not exactly cinematic, but far more effective by addressing the underlying circumstances that foster it. The shortage of services, access, and advocacy are all predictable indicators for both victims and perpetrators. Equipped with the insights and instincts of a prosecutor weary of always being on the receiving end of avoidable tragedies, Stewart shares his experience and expertise with fellow do-gooders, guiding them from shaky startups to scalable success.We first met a few months back at Roosevelt Coffeehouse, itself an anchor for the local social enterprise movement. Overdue for a follow-up cup, we discussed the future of “purpose beyond profits” and why Columbus is the perfect incubator for ideas that really could change the world.A career in criminal justice isn’t the typical résumé for a social justice champion. You’ve seen the world through an entirely different lens. How has your work as a US Attorney informed your search for solutions through social enterprise?Carter Stewart: It’s not uncommon to leave law to go into the nonprofit sphere, but it is uncommon to leave prosecution. The only other US attorney I know who has done it is in Pittsburgh. I actually surveyed colleagues at the DOJ to see if anyone else had done this, and he was the only one. My desire to help is based on what I’ve seen as a prosecutor as much as my childhood experiences growing up in the South, in Atlanta. So many of the people my office prosecuted came from broken systems—school systems that weren’t adequate, housing situations that were poor. So many people in state and local jails suffer from mental health issues, addiction issues. I felt that if we could fix those broken systems, it would reduce the number of people who end up in the criminal justice system.
“Not all tension is bad, and there can be positive creative tension between traditional businesses and social enterprises.”
Social media and social enterprise seem to have come of age at the same time. There’s not a mutual dependency, but an undeniably growing parallel between purpose and purchase. What trends in digital connectivity distinguish successful social enterprises from those that fizzle out?CS: I can’t say there’s one pattern, but there is recognition of the importance of social media, especially for start-up organizations that don’t have a big budget and want to spread the word as far and wide as possible. Everyone we fund has to have a website. It sounds obvious, but they have to have something up and running. But we still have some organizations that are spread more by word of mouth. ROX, Ruling Our Experiences, is a good example. It’s a program that teaches girls leadership, entrepreneurship, self-defense, self-awareness. The 20-week program is spread, mostly in-person, by the founder, Dr. Lisa Hinkelman, speaking at conferences to school counselors—who then google it. It’s the second bite at the apple. They hear from her first, then they learn more online and decide it’s something they want to pursue. But our organizations aren’t limited to the US, and some are dependent on social media to work. But where it’s critical for everyone is funders, who are more likely to research an organization before contacting it directly. They don’t want to raise hopes or expectations too early. It’s interwoven and social entrepreneurs recognize that.There can be friction between traditional nonprofits and social enterprises serving the same cause. Ideally, raising awareness creates a larger pie, and everyone gets a bigger slice. How should social enterprises answer the concern that they’re competing for the same donors and dollars?CS: There is perspective among some funders that there are too many nonprofits—to solve education, to solve poverty. Instead of creating new ones, we should improve and, perhaps in some cases, combine the ones that we have. There’s a degree of creation exhaustion. I happen to disagree. You need constant creation and rebirth, new ideas cycling in. Traditional nonprofits that have never considered the social enterprise model might feel threatened by that new entity going after the same funding dollars. In an ideal world, the new entity inspires the older entity to change and to grow. I consider the YMCA one of the oldest social enterprises in the country because they have a revenue stream. You pay for membership. So even though most nonprofits haven’t had that revenue stream, social enterprises have been around. It’s just been a small slice. I haven’t heard traditional nonprofits wishing social enterprises would go away as much as how can they be more like them and less dependent on philanthropic capital. And I think social enterprises can learn from nonprofits, their leadership structures and governance models. It’s a dynamic evolution that will hopefully lift everyone up.Traditional businesses can also feel threatened by social enterprises. We don’t just vote every four years for president and every two years for Congress. We vote every day with our wallets. How to both kinds of businesses build brands that inspire their customers to become agents of change?CS: That competition should help businesses recognize the importance of having a second bottom line. Maybe not a social mission, but a mindset of corporate citizenship. That’s what drives people to Roosevelt Coffeehouse. They know when they spend money, the company does good things with it. It’s a brand they feel good supporting. Not all tension is bad, and there can be positive creative tension between traditional businesses and social enterprises. Draper Richards Kaplan has someone on staff with whom we connect all of our entrepreneurs, to understand that communications is how you reach people, but branding is more, and an essential part of our process. Some folks come with more savvy than others, but in addition to helping build capacity they’re also building a brand. It’s something you should do in the early stages of your organization, so it becomes ingrained in your DNA.The Midwest often gets overlooked when it comes to venture capital, despite our academic credibility, technological capacity, and desirable test market demographics. What does the Draper Richards Kaplan Foundation see in Columbus that many still miss?CS: We’re a particular type of donor. Not all donors look for what we look for, most don’t. Most foundations I know won’t fund an organization unless they’ve been around for four or five years. And they don’t always look for organizations with the potential to scale. They look for organizations that are well-run, already likely to survive, and succeeding in their mission. We look for organizations at an earlier stage, those that have finished a pilot and want to go big….We look for ideas that have the potential to disrupt, to change broken systems, and not many funders share that desire. But in Columbus, there’s a hunger for it. Social enterprise is a buzzword, and they’ve been in Columbus for years before I got here. But 75 percent of funding still goes to the East Coast and the West Coast, and that’s a huge oversight. People were looking for mechanisms to get national funding to Central Ohio, to build and scale the organizations that are here and those just getting started. There’s a synergy between governments and businesses, nonprofits and social enterprises. It’s an enthusiasm and pride many on the coasts don’t realize is here. I was once one of those people. I lived in New York and California. It was my wife who decided we were moving to Columbus 13 years ago, and I still tell people it’s the best decision I never made.For more on social enterprises and the Draper Richards Kaplan Foundation, visit
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